Curse

Robbert Monga · Dec 24, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

I know whacha gonna say kid: BOOHOO, Megaton got blown up... no wait, wrong game.
Anyway, so I got bored on stomping on peoples' faces and epic fails, and decided to do some PvE for a change. Naive I though hey they killed Ursan, so it can't be that bad. Fast enough I discovered that the only groups around are perma with cryers or similar bs. Sure, whatever - I can fit into those... but my God, this game became a drag.

Whats the point of all those supposed challenges if you just include cheat code to come with it? The whole concept of perma Shadow Form is just that - a cheat. How can one enjoy game by cheating all the way is beyond me.
On a flip side, we have a player base degraded to unbelievable lows due to the use of cheats. The story of joining perma group became a story of watching people fail at basic things. Its all about lowering standards. Once you did that, people suddenly became bad... and I mean BAED. All the idiocy and arrogance surfaced, because playing with 3 skills on your bar does not require anything more.

And why all this? Just so somebody could farm supposedly rare items all day long? Screw that, I already have a job, I don't need another one. I want entertainment of playing.

Well anyway...
Dear ANet, please kill Shadow Form. Kill and bury it. Skills like this should never exist.

Sora267 · Dec 24, 2008, 07:23 PM // 19:23

*Insert obligatory "You don't need to use Perma SF, its optional, just join a guild, quit QQing and realize that using perma SF is fun for some people, and quit being a whiny bitch and calling everything that you don't like that's any good a cheat." response here*

Reflect · Dec 24, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

/off Megaton's there, i saved it /off

yup! destroy the SF!

unienaule · Dec 24, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by Sora of the Divine

*Insert obligatory "You don't need to use Perma SF, its optional, just join a guild, quit QQing and realize that using perma SF is fun for some people, and quit being a whiny bitch and calling everything that you don't like that's any good a cheat." response here*

I was going to say "and that's how we got to where we are today" but then i realized there's no way that's true. We got to where we are today Thanks In Part To Viewers Like You who for some reason are in charge of skill balancing at ANet. Assigning responsibility (note I didn't say blame, I'm trying to be objective) for the situation to a bunch of forum users is absurd. After this long, it's become apparent that if you were or are looking for a game that makes you think, these "aren't the droids you're looking for, move along."

I guess the question is, since we went from Ursan to Shadow Form, what could be more ridiculous than Shadow Form?

kupp · Dec 24, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Sigh. When I started reading this thread I thought it was a rant about how narrow minded GW has become. Cryway, SF, yoda's magic underwear, people only take one profession with one specific build, nobody plays the game the way they want to.

Aaaanyway, yeah agree on that. SF is lame, kill it, period. Even if it's just for teh lulz on watching 12 year olds QQing to their mothers on how they can't farm UW 24/7 and thinking their THE shit. *evil laugh*

Seriously tough, kill it.

MisterT69 · Dec 24, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by Sora of the Divine

*Insert obligatory "You don't need to use Perma SF, its optional, just join a guild, quit QQing and realize that using perma SF is fun for some people, and quit being a whiny bitch and calling everything that you don't like that's any good a cheat." response here*

^yeah what he said, or you can just choose to play a different game, I mean its just one skill that saves a lot of us time on elite missions so I don't particularly have a problem with it.

Abedeus · Dec 24, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by MisterT69

^yeah what he said, or you can just choose to play a different game, I mean its just one skill that saves a lot of us time on elite missions so I don't particularly have a problem with it.

People like you ruin the game and if they make GW2 for people like you, it will fail massively.

Ignoring the problem isn't solving the problem. You can cover your ears and shout LALALALLAL I CAN'T HAER YOUUUU!!! but the ugly monster is still there staring at you.

MirkoTeran · Dec 24, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

While I totally agree with OP, this thread is just bound to end in flames.

And to put something on the fire: Kill SF. Kill PvE-only skills. Kill PvP/PvE split. Nerf cons. (did I forget something?)

ajc2123 · Dec 24, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Sora of the Divine

*Insert obligatory "You don't need to use Perma SF, its optional, just join a guild, quit QQing and realize that using perma SF is fun for some people, and quit being a whiny bitch and calling everything that you don't like that's any good a cheat." response here*

QFT

12 chars or soemthing like that

Konig Des Todes · Dec 24, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

How can one enjoy game by cheating all the way is beyond me.

This goes back to the days of DOOM. Where people would go into Nightmare difficulty, type in iddqd, then plow through it all with the super powerful weapons against the still super weak enemies - but there being millions of respawning enemies.

People use cheats not to beat the game fast, but to wtfpwn others. That is why people like spike builds.

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Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

Well anyway...
Dear ANet, please kill Shadow Form. Kill and bury it. Skills like this should never exist.

If this is done, the same needs to be done to:

[Spell Breaker], ["Save Yourselves!"], [Obsidian Flesh], ["There's Nothing To Fear!"] and skills of the such. You cannot kill just one god mode while leaving the others free.

Also, no need to kill and bury skills, just change their usage. Like for Shadow Form, make it immune to damage only (i.e., take 0 damage from damage - so spells, conditions, hexes, etc. still hurt, but you don't loose actual health) and remove the "loose all but xyz health" upon ending it. That way, with it still maintainable like it is, it won't kill someone but it also makes it a lot less farm build worthy.

Or, you can make Deadly Paradox not work for elite enchantment skills.

That way, they are still usable, but not "god mode" skills.

[DE] · Dec 24, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

After much research I've discovered PvE is boring even when you aren't abusing all the gimmicky skills in the game. If cryway and SF disappeared people would move back to tank'n'spank or something dumb like that. If every gimmick was out of the game it'd be '05 THK all over again, only THK would be HM.

MisterT69 · Dec 24, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

People like you ruin the game and if they make GW2 for people like you, it will fail massively.

Ignoring the problem isn't solving the problem. You can cover your ears and shout LALALALLAL I CAN'T HAER YOUUUU!!! but the ugly monster is still there staring at you.

And it's people like you who try to focus on everyone going against a certain skill to draw attention away from certain skills that "need a nerf" but don't want A-net to know about it. People like me don't want to spend hours on end doing redundant things like grinding and hell, even some PVP. If I did, I'd be playing WoW.

And honestly, not everyone thinks SF is an ugly monster, and yeah you may say it's noob, but these gimmicky builds like SF and cryway are what makes PVE more enjoyable. But then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Nessar · Dec 24, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by [DE]

After much research I've discovered PvE is boring even when you aren't abusing all the gimmicky skills in the game. If cryway and SF disappeared people would move back to tank'n'spank or something dumb like that. If every gimmick was out of the game it'd be '05 THK all over again, only THK would be HM.

I find that to be true. Even without cry/sf/ursan/*list other skills here* PvE is easy to roll through. Load up 3 heros and henchs and just stand there <.<

Anyway to the OP, QQ moar pl0x *yawn*

Day Trooper · Dec 24, 2008, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Until the latest SF update, like everyone else with eles, I used SF to do UW clears. I told myself - 'No way will ANet nerf SF to where only sins can maintain it, right? That would make UW a 'sin-only' zone lol!' (except for the token necro to help clear Forgotten Vale ofc).

And here we are - UW is now either have a sin primary or 'GTFO n00b.'

Not that I'm QQ'ing. Luckily I had already gotten more than my fill of UW clears - and if I really want to keep doing UW I can just create a Sin anyways.

It does beg the question, though, of why ANet continues to make SF THE elite skill of choice? I'm ok with SF as it is - just too bad that other skills pale in comparison to it. Like being an ele - obby flesh would work great in UW - if only the stinkin' 50% movement speed reduction was removed QQ.

Perhaps this is one way ANet can deal with SF - by making other professions' elites at least somewhat comparable - enough to where pugs would take a variety of professions and not just permas...

Copenhagen Master · Dec 24, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Why kill the skill, just change it were it can't be maintain all the damn time. I think I see his point I mean 1 char being invulnerable all the time does seem like a cheat to him (we all know it isn't) but the concept is the same it is godmode basically. I miss the old days of actually earning the good stuff, and farming for the good stuff the hard way. IMO SF help destroy GW economy not saying it did it on its own though

BabyJ · Dec 24, 2008, 08:34 PM // 20:34

[shadow form] is the replacement for [ursan blessing]
kill it already

goodrix · Dec 24, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

And why all this? Just so somebody could farm supposedly rare items all day long? Screw that, I already have a job, I don't need another one. I want entertainment of playing.

And what is entertainment? A gimmick that you will enjoy and others won't?

I think you have unrealistic expectation of a game community. People will always choose the easiest way. Most will enjoy it too. What was before ursan? trinity? What is after ursan? cryway?
Plain qq. Not getting anywhere with it. Elite areas will always have niche counters because of the way they are designed. (also look at urgoz and deep which are nearly empty)

toocooltang · Dec 24, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

SF and cryway is the latest xxxWAY in the game. Once it gets nerfed all the people that run it will QQ until someone that actually _KNOWS_ the game comes up with a good team and it will make its way to guru/wiki. Then everyone will QQ over that build being gimmicky.

Slash From The Shadows · Dec 24, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

ok, i know that someone might flame about it for sure, but, exemple : sf is a skill, and anet can't just delete it, or kill it, as then the game won't be balanced.think about it, all professions got an utility, warrior, high health, armor etc, ele, high damage AoE etc, and so on with all others. if anet kills sf, they kill 80% of the PvE sin builds.ppl like me, who got sick of perma and all, went to other stuff. mission, town running and other services, ppl should think about it ^^.

EDIT: i think anet should return sf to what it was: 10e,1c,60r.
the old version, of 17 seconds at 12 shadow arts, and no less % damage, this is what i think, if sf needs to be changed, what effect you guys would think off huh?

Latham · Dec 24, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

Whats the point of all those supposed challenges if you just include cheat code to come with it? The whole concept of perma Shadow Form is just that - a cheat. How can one enjoy game by cheating all the way is beyond me.
On a flip side, we have a player base degraded to unbelievable lows due to the use of cheats. The story of joining perma group became a story of watching people fail at basic things. Its all about lowering standards. Once you did that, people suddenly became bad... and I mean BAD. All the idiocy and arrogance surfaced, because playing with 3 skills on your bar does not require anything more.

Do you like cheats ? I guess not, Hey i have an idea, don't use it. Is Anet forcing you to go on perma QQ groups ? And please for goodness sake, don't generalize the player database that perma and cryway is not fun. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that others don't, so go cry some where else please.

On a more prospective note, did you even consider going on a none perma group ? I'll give you it , that they are few and far between, maybe join a guild/alliance that specializes in 'normal' builds.

And all perma groups being 'fail at basic things', and 'idiocy and arrogance surfaced', It doesn't take skill to use the builds, But on elite, proper ( Organized ? ) It takes tremendous player co-operation, communication skills, to plow through DoA HM in less than 1 Hour. I would love to see the day that a pug group manages a challenge like that, getting a reasonable time. So stop whining and zip it, Thanks.